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Trigger warning for loud sounds towards the end of the vid.

This was entirely edited, and was supposed to be exported, in 48fps, not 50. Funny thing is, Premiere simply doesn't allow custom frame rates in its export window, despite supporting it as a sequence setting. I could have exported the Premiere file into After Effects and added the sequence to the render cue, but I couldn't because AE threw me an error every time I tried. That, combined with the legitimately unbelievable amount of bugs and errors and crashes left me feeling so exhausted and numb that I ultimately decided it was worth sacrificing one 25th of a second's worth of timing here and there. If you catch any editing errors, that'd be why. Oh well!!
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
1:27 - Laying the Groundwork
4:32 - Ad break
5:55 - Timing and Easing
9:52 - Smear Frames But Worse™
11:11 - Wrong Tool for the Wrong Job
13:58 - Outro

Animation used (in order of appearance):
Tom and Jerry
Pixel Art (various)
Cat walk ( www.reddit.com/r/animation/co... )
Cowboy Bebop
Mulan
Persona 4
300FPS Bowser in cat suit
Spirit (Roughs by James Baxter)
Devilman Crybaby
A Cat in Paris
Wire by Worthikids
Spiderverse
DBZ Fighterz
ParaNorman
Spongebob
Daffodil 3 by Smallbu
Overwatch
Moonlight Fox by Smallbu
JoJo Part 5
XCOM 2
Cafouillage by Tom Law
PokeAwesome
Planet Panic
TMNT 'Don VS Ralph'
Klaus (Lineart by James Baxter)
El Dorado
Naruto
1Samurai Jack Season 5
Dead Leaves
Keep Your Hands off Eizouken
Meet Arnold (Cacani Demo)
'Float' by Pixar

Music used (in order of appearance):
Les Cafes De Paris - Joe E Lee
Apple Kid's Theme - Earthbound
Let the Game Begin! - SiIvaGunner
Noisy Notebook D - Snipperclips
Stage Clear - Wii Play Motion
Good Evening Bossa - Riverworn
Buy Something, Will Ya!? - Earthbound
Stamp Mode - Snipperclips
Apotos (Night) - Sonic Unleashed
Quilty Court - Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn
Just One More Night With You - Thiago
5PM - Animal Crossing New Leaf
Trophy Gallery - Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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James Baxter
James Baxter 3 months ago
Fantastic rant, I love it! And you're absolutely right. I love how you underline the intent of the artist. Those who would seek to replace artists with machine learning and AI clearly don't understand what art is for. Replace stuff that people don't want to do, or can't do. But people get joy (and their livelihood) from creating art, and they want to do it. It's one of the things that make us human. I'm no Luddite, and I love using new tools to create my animation. But when it starts to encroach upon the fulfillment that I get from creating, then no thanks! You might argue that this is just interpolation and chill out. But my response to that is just wait, this is just getting started.
Nikola Uzelac
Nikola Uzelac 28 days ago
JAMES BAXTER WHAT!?!??!!? I AM A HUGE FAN!
Red Egg
Red Egg Month ago
@teh one opinion invalid.
ScribbleT!me
ScribbleT!me Month ago
THE JAMES BAXTER??
Lunite76
Lunite76 Month ago
NO ABSOLUTE FUCKING WAY! ITS YOU WHAT THE FUCK!
Meme Hub
Meme Hub Month ago
JAMES BAXTER??!?!?!?!?
MetalMackZ
MetalMackZ 2 minutes ago
is this egoraptor?
Kumo McMahon
Kumo McMahon Hour ago
$45 isn't that bad.
Jai Trovato
Jai Trovato Hour ago
Please do a movie review for virus (1999)
Dr. Oligan Trausanbaum Hiech
i cant stand this video, and i really don't care about the artists intent if someone wants to watch an interpolated animation, or mod a game or colourize a film thats there choice you dont have to like or think it looks good and thats fine but some people do and some are just curious and they can enjoy the media how they want
planit MC
planit MC Hour ago
I like this guy
Josiah Silas Michael
I actually don't understand why gamers feel like they need 60fps
Terrados1337
Terrados1337 2 hours ago
Well, for gaming high framerates are obviously better. Since you are in control of the camera and movement, so having a high framerate helps tricking the brain :) I know many people, me included, who are prone to motion sickness at low framerates. Most commonly in VR. ARRR! All gamer evil! For animations, like this video expertly demonstrates, it's the artists choice. Those AI "enhancements" tools are a neat to produce Frankenstein frames though :D
PAWE
PAWE 3 hours ago
idc i just think it looks better :)
Weeb Life
Weeb Life 4 hours ago
what app do you use for making your animations?
Floursack Animations
i agree
Jalvart
Jalvart 4 hours ago
incredible man, keep it up!
The Western Fountain
Higher fps makes things looks smoother but that doesn't mean it looks better. There is a huge difference between the two.
FaderXotic
FaderXotic 5 hours ago
6,9m views. Nice.
Vítězslav Ureš
Vítězslav Ureš 6 hours ago
This comment will be lost in Comments section, like ... a frame in ... competitive action game. I admit, I do LOVE ketchup (I know, I am a monster), BUT I am also an animator (still a monster). This is the first video I've seen from you and oh boy I found gold! I am also a bit depressed how great animator and storyteller you are... keep up the great work!
🐙⭐️
🐙⭐️ 6 hours ago
hmmmmmm
Gabriel Melo Studio
We musicians have the same feeling about AI trying to do ours jobs, you can enhance the bot with all sort of complicated algorythm but it stil doesn't sound like a freaking human. . . . . . . . . Unless that human plays like a robot, but that is not really the point here '-'
The Michael
The Michael 7 hours ago
Yeah, Gamers can be insufferable. Especially for a computer/electronics guy like I was. Way back when in college in Computer Science class, I took 20 minutes with the midterm and final while the few gamers we had in that class who thought they knew everything took the entire 2 and a half hours for those tests.
JAMG Gamer
JAMG Gamer 7 hours ago
PPs? 9:45
FireFox Gamer
FireFox Gamer 8 hours ago
its 50 fps omg
Your relatable idiot
I bet someone made this in 60fps just to mock him
Comwp ODG
Comwp ODG 9 hours ago
yeah the trend is shit but just remember that AI is modeled after how neurons interact within the brain. I'm both an artist and programmer - trust me, you just need a bigger, smarter AI. perhaps someone 'walking the dog' with the ai could make it pay attention to all of those concepts or even more.
Not_my _problem
Not_my _problem 9 hours ago
*checks the comments to see if there are any bozos complaining about this good and informational rant and overall just being mean or stupid*
Dr.SajidAnd Ammar Hasan
Honestly I think the people who like 60fps are just thinking that higher FPS = better animation when the animation is literally spaghetti.
Dr.SajidAnd Ammar Hasan
The part where you said it’s gamers ok yeah probably most of the people doing are probably are but some gamers are good people that would probably not do this and not be a person who is literally shit and say it’s better because a computer did it.
Hexa
Hexa 11 hours ago
All good arguments over all, except the "insult to the artist". Yes calling an interpolated clip "art" is a gross over statement. But that doesn't take away any value from the original art work. A steak with ketchup is also a terrible comparison. Unlike steak, digital art (hence most art) is by nature reproducible. A chef has to make every individual steak, and so eating one with ketchup could be a genuine insult. An artist has to make each piece of art work once, so if a copy is made worse by an interpolation, there's no reason for the artist to be insulted by it, _your_ time hasn't been wasted, _your_ creation hasn't been ruined. It's just some random copy. Now if someone goes and interpolated the only digital copy of a work around, then yeah the creator has every right to be pissed. Also robot artists will become a thing sooner or later. No amount of denial and "muh human condition" is gonna stop that from happening.
F
F 12 hours ago
I honestly can't tell a different. They flow the same to me.
ABOODI ABOODI
ABOODI ABOODI 14 hours ago
He is jealous because his animator cant do a 60 fps animation
Dr.SajidAnd Ammar Hasan
Bruh did you watch the video
FoggyLenseFilms
FoggyLenseFilms 14 hours ago
10:14 what film is that?
Ademar Junior
Ademar Junior 8 hours ago
the road to el dorado
AlmightyK
AlmightyK 17 hours ago
Surely I am not the only one that sees a BluRay playing with the sound off and think it is playing too fast right?
issogashii.
issogashii. 17 hours ago
5:53 you'll thank me later
Okuyasu
Okuyasu 17 hours ago
it don't see the difference
Don Matthew
Don Matthew 18 hours ago
As a pogchamp gamer, I like playing games at high fps but too high fps can create a lot of blur and I play stuff like rhythm games, and when there are things like blur it doesn't really help me and it can actually make it worse.
Random Human On The Internet
I have a chronic breathing addiction
Dr.SajidAnd Ammar Hasan
TMI
themouseofchaos
themouseofchaos 18 hours ago
i came back after the cardboard and damn the amogus do got a dumpy
Local Flower
Local Flower 18 hours ago
"And you know it's gamers!" Personally I love 24 fps. It gets the job done and looks fantastic doing so, if anything I can't stand playing games in 60 fps as I did so once before and honestly I felt sick, like not "oh it bad" sick, like motion sickness sick. It makes it very hard to tell what's going on and even a blink can just completely lose where you're at. I have very bad reaction speeds so seeing anything move like that is just very disorienting.
the idiot named angel
Im a gamer and hate that 60 fps shit for animation
Chip Ferguson
Chip Ferguson 19 hours ago
"Brain pop-shuvit..." Can I borrow this expression?
EclipseSeth
EclipseSeth 19 hours ago
I didn't even know this was something that was happening... Am I getting old or something? Yay, time to get my glasses and a cane and hit people to get them off my lawn!
Evie Nordqvist
Evie Nordqvist 20 hours ago
Sir i just finished having a bad mental break down and your video has made me laugh really hard thank you for existing
MaJxr
MaJxr 21 hour ago
as an amateur artist this was actually simultaneously very entertaining and informative to watch, nice work
boato
boato 21 hour ago
Love your video! this explain alot of weird feeling i got when watched those video :)
Pizza Rat
Pizza Rat 23 hours ago
You got more views than that Mulan video now btw
X24 Paradox
X24 Paradox Day ago
"5 Million views" This Video:
AnBoo
AnBoo Day ago
I completely and utterly agree with you
Insert name here
out art style is unintentionally very simiar(all though I do sometimes sharpen the hair raindomly)
Ari
Ari Day ago
Do you think they copied you or sum? This vid is not that recent, and they've been drawing like this for a bit???
Fr0st_Bite
Fr0st_Bite Day ago
nice drawing bro
Hondo
Hondo Day ago
When I eat a steak, I eat it the way I want, I am not worried, nor should I worry how the chef wants me to eat it. I am not there to bask in the culinary glory of the chef, or for them to get praise, I'm there to eat.
Tony
Tony Day ago
I mean, eat it how you want but if you go to a 5 star restaurant to order a prime rib and then completely change it, what’s the point of ordering it in the first place?
Dendé Hehr
Dendé Hehr Day ago
60+ FPS for the games. ~24 FPS for animation. Let's do that, hm?
Adam Filinovich
It'd go a long way if they interpolated to an actual multiple of the original. You're going to get disgusting blurry frames and/or random pauses if you try to interpolate from 24 to 60
Watermelon Enthusiast
Should of interpolated the entire video, just to mess with us
Gamerdweeb Entertainment
and there's me who accidently watch Mitchells vs Robots on my TV... and was so coooool.... damn I missed out watching on my PC...
TycoCaliFox
TycoCaliFox Day ago
The one thing that annoys me is that on Twitter and Instagram the people who upload anime clips in these A.I programs call themselves "Interpolation animators" one popular one is a person in anime cosplay with 6 monitors and an art tablet but they've literally never once drawn or animated anything original.
Annic
Annic Day ago
“I want to buy this book but for less expensive” allow me to introduce you to p i r a t i n g
0mega1Spawn
0mega1Spawn Day ago
When people say it will get better with time they mean different AIs will do it better. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️
Gunfighter360
I wish you had addressed studio's cutting frames to save money and releasing a shittier product for the $
a random kitsune
As a gamer yes it's the gamers
Animation Exaggeration
I just animate with no worry about the fps
Optical Beast
Its all preference. I prefer fluidity, while others like others.
Codyiguess
Codyiguess Day ago
Some things just looked better at 60fps tbh
yes
yes Day ago
Any Gamers here?
Ben Mach
Ben Mach Day ago
Wow cool frame rate Liked and Subscribed
KeepYourselfSafe
Thanks for making me shit myself in the last few seconds of the video.
Broslo H
Broslo H Day ago
Thank you
OliverRBLX
OliverRBLX Day ago
KONO DIAVOLO-SAANNNNN
The Deer And The Wolf
You can adjust ease in and out in a lot of different software to give the computed motion more life. I'd say the problem with computed animation like the demonstrated spline from a to b is that it doesn't account for exaggeration, anticipation, arcs, follow through, secondary action and appeal... Easing and timing can be controlled pretty easily it's the robotic and rigid nature that causes it to be such a problem...
HGmatrix
HGmatrix Day ago
Why does it say 1080p48 for you but for me it says 1080p50?
Zilentis
Zilentis 17 hours ago
@HGmatrix wut
HGmatrix
HGmatrix Day ago
@Zilentis RUvid: wanna try 4k? 8k? 16k? 24k? 48k?
Zilentis
Zilentis Day ago
@HGmatrix good for you. But that's a rounded up number too, *for instance*, with most TVs and Monitors from that Era--that was typically a lie lol, it may infact be 59fps. Which was rounded up to 60. More modern screens you won't encounter that, but it's a remnant from... I think it was American TV standards or something, can't remember the root reason why it was that way.
HGmatrix
HGmatrix Day ago
@Zilentis My old laptop from 2012 uses 1080p60
Zilentis
Zilentis Day ago
Even basic video cameras do this, and shitty editing software like Microsoft Movie Maker as well. Basically it just bumps it up to that so it's easier to categorize, it's not *true*, it still is in 48--but if they don't do this, then they'll need to make a specific option from 1080p1 to 1080p60, and that can cause problems later.
x.Valebee.x
x.Valebee.x Day ago
Ppl who use 15 fps: 👁👄👁
Aleksi Taunimaa
LISTEN, MAN! I DON'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR STEAK, ALRIGHT?!?!? THE ONLY THING IN THIS PLANET I DON'T LIKE THAT HAS VASELINE ALL OVER IT IS SONIC ADVENTURE DX!!
used2venom
used2venom Day ago
to your "gamers" argument - sometimes listening to customer good, sometimes customer is an ignorant bastard. It's for the company to know, and for the customer to vote with money. In the end, the big question is "how much money is enough". I'm gonna go cry in the corner now. kthxbye!
Pura Curiosidade
the angongus poster
IShouldBeStrange
Looking at Kars' wings at 60 fps is magnificent
Squallycellar 25
I see no difference
the aiming bot
its less that its a higher fps and more that its interpolated
Evan Rosenberry
“Idc I think it looks better”
PinkDolphin65 ✔︎
your mom when the stork offered her a new baby for half the price because of your deformities. lol gottem
UYC Channel
UYC Channel Day ago
10:27 tho
Meta Bro
Meta Bro Day ago
I know that reply’s are disappointed but who cares! 🎉 JAMES BAXTER BABY WOOHOO 🎉
xdfreewae
xdfreewae Day ago
14:04 Your parents barging into your room with the belt...
why do we History.
I dont animate, I make wooden spoons.
the autistic nerd
I, as a doom modder who also sprites. I understand this. F.e. giving a meele a inbetween from its intentional start and stop just makes it loose that UMMPF. You made a really good point and the viedo teached me Something
TheSkittleFur
50fps video quality
Toast
Toast Day ago
"Hey Google, Animate this video."
Vanessa Lee
Vanessa Lee Day ago
I’m doing this when there is 6.9 milion views
Scutoid Studios
But, animations made, thought out, coriographed, and made intentionally for 60fps can look good. And smoother animation DOES equal better animation, that's what smooth animation is. But higher FPS =/= smoother is what you're tryna say.
Scutoid Studios
You can't undermine artistic intent by smearing the ghosts in mulan to 60fps with ai. Like wtf. People can say "I think it looks better" or "I think it looks worse" but these things are ai experiments, with titles that are just as clickbaity as everything you've made, or I've made, or anyone's made. RUvid replacing All Star's MV with an interpolation was bad, because it looked bad _and_ replaced it. But this doesn't do that. This is an experiment to see what you get when you use DAINapp or whatever ai on animation. And the results can be impressive in motion at times!
acefreak 95
acefreak 95 2 days ago
Idc bruh i like my 60 fps animations
Corrupted
Corrupted 2 days ago
I think the moral of this the story is *If it ain't broken don't fix it*
FEnCSERX
FEnCSERX 2 days ago
Yes. It’s gamers. Anything done with Machine learning AI is usually gamers.
brianv3ntura
brianv3ntura 2 days ago
As for the spiderman movie, I didnt k ow their artistic intent nor did know what two's were...to an average joe, it honestly looked laggy and that my internet was having a tough time streaming it.
TimKeysKeys
TimKeysKeys 2 days ago
When I upgraded from a 60 FPS to a 144 FPS monitor I can honestly say, there is no difference whatsoever.
Mauricio Garcia
Mauricio Garcia 2 days ago
so datamoshing
InkBird
InkBird 2 days ago
the guy sliding through the window at 60 FPS had me LOLing though
SuperVitality
SuperVitality 2 days ago
You were channeling some serious angry Arin Hanson, similar to Sequelitis. This was a great video explaining the fundamental flaws of AI smoothing out animations.
John Bues
John Bues 2 days ago
Interpolation Appropriation.
Sam Hodgkinson
Sam Hodgkinson 2 days ago
Bad take. The video misunderstands AI tech progression (people aren't saying that this specific AI implementation will improve over time, they're saying new AIs will be developed which work better with animations), and overvalues the precious feelings of precious animators. Using AI isn't equivalent to covering a steak with ketchup, it's closer to analysing a steak and constructing additional steaks intelligently based on the data, which doesn't make any sense because it's a bad analogy and cooking isn't equivalent to AI interpolation. Finally, movies don't render/shoot at 60fps because 24fps is the convention, and a large proportion of viewers would find higher framerates jarring and unpleasant to watch due to the unfamiliarity. I'm not saying higher framerates are better for animation or movies, but I've never heard an intelligent argument for them being worse.
paste
paste 7 hours ago
theres nothing wrong with higher frame rates, but theyre not necessarily good either. Frame rate is just one of many tools used by an animator and a higher frame rate is not inherently good or bad. The thing I dont like about the interpolation shit (other than that it can look pure dogshit sometimes) is that it promotes the idea that more frames = more gooder animation, which is just dumb and with your steak metaphor, idk about you but I'd much prefer my steak to be made by an actual chef than by an AI constructing a steak based on data lol
blargg
blargg 2 days ago
8:09 the interpolator could easily ignore duplicate frames, thus having no problem with twos, threes, etc. Or perhaps you mean where different parts of the frame are at different rates.
Subhasish Mukherjee
I don't really care that it's insulting to the animator. Most of the time to me, 60 fps feels smoother and better. That's all I care about.
Salt Storm
Salt Storm 2 days ago
The problem with interpolation is that it takes away an animations clarity or emphasis. Landing a Falcon Punch in smash bros feels great because of the subtle techniques that are used, giving a feeling of anticipation through the wind-up, and helping you feel the impact when you land it. If someone were to interpolate a Falcon Punch, it would feel smoother, but it would take away so much of what made it so great. The problem is more than just an insult to the creator.
windigo
windigo 2 days ago
No I see it all the time and it looks so f*cking bad.
Eduardosworld
Eduardosworld 2 days ago
I completely agree with you @Noodle
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