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Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
If you like seeing the "Big Blows" on Sherman Hill, I'm sure you'll like seeing the double diesels Union Pacific fielded next! See DD35 and DD40 locomotives: ruvid.net/video/video-wYCaC3DxLIY.html
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
+Michael Plumb I am not sure I have any footage of that experimental engine. It never made it to production... but it was a great experiment!
Michael Plumb
Michael Plumb 3 months ago
will we get to see the coal turbine as well?
Alexis DeVille
Alexis DeVille 3 months ago
M325 moise
Chris R Beauvais
Chris R Beauvais 19 hours ago
Crazy cool power to bad they retired them
Ron Smith
Ron Smith Day ago
Excellent video. Well done. Just one little nit pick. In India, they wear turbans. The locomotive is powered by a Turbine. The pronunciation is very different. Anyhow, nice work on the video.
Joel Seim
Joel Seim 3 days ago
Great video I did not know that UP ran turbines that extensively that long ago. The question I have did they not try that again in the mid 70’s with some turbine units and they had a big round exhaust pipe that curved up at the rear of the engine?.
Chuck Eberth
Chuck Eberth 3 days ago
A great video about the UP turbine engines.
Romaobb
Romaobb 4 days ago
There IS an e on the end of turbine, right? Because this video makes me wonder
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
It can be pronounced both ways: vimeo.com/215289401
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
For some reason, this is the most commented aspect of this video... not the great rare film... but, according to experts, workers in the field and others, it can be pronounced both ways... often it is a regional thing. Apparently DeAnn grew up with it as turbin... not turbine. :-)
TimRuffle
TimRuffle 4 days ago
I was surprised to learn that the traditional headwear of a Sikh could double as a freight locomotive.
Dennis Browder
Dennis Browder 4 days ago
Thanks great stuff folks
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Thank you so much! DeAnn here and I do appreciate the kind note. :-) We both enjoy trains! :-)
AustNRail
AustNRail 5 days ago
It appears the MU diesels are being pulled along out of their comfort zone. Funny really, like they can’t keep up.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
I am not sure they could keep up... :-)
sr633
sr633 6 days ago
Nice to see some different views of Big boy steam engines.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Yes... and in vintage film!
Danger Noodle
Danger Noodle 8 days ago
“Turbans”
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
There is an e on the end of turbine, but it can be pronounced both ways. English is a funny thing. If you expect this to be spoke with a long "E" at the end... how do you pronounce "engine"? :-) vimeo.com/215289401 I understand it is a regional thing...and DeAnn apparently grew up with it as turbin... no long e.
John Nicodemus
John Nicodemus 8 days ago
A turbine roaring by? I counted four Vs. the single 8444. Had been two of the 8000's, "they" would not have "roared" by.
d ss
d ss 11 days ago
20000 hp! What were those locos hauling...lead?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Definitely not helium. :-) Seriously these pulled some VERY long trains and at a very good clip - and over Sherman Hill.
Shawn Powell
Shawn Powell 11 days ago
what an incredible video. Wish i was older to have seen some of these incredible locomotives.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Yep. These are a sight to behold in film, they must have been truly a wonder in person!
James Hart
James Hart 11 days ago
I live in Cheyenne Wyoming and I see lots of trains going east and west. About a month ago I saw a long train going west, it had three engines in front, one in the middle and one at the end. I think that's the most engines I've seen on one train. Oh and on May 4th the Big Bow engine will roll onto the tracks under its own power!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Yep... lots and lots of trains use that mainline!!
arkie74
arkie74 15 days ago
D'Anne makes these videos more enjoyable. I think its great when a pretty lady digs trains like these giant behemoths. I think D'Anne is hot. jus sayin....lol I saw a pic of a hot DD in a thong bikini posing on the nose of a DD 40X lol...... like a beautiful hood ornament on an ugly brute like the d+d. It was like "beauty the beast".... I couldnt take my eyes of of her...I mean it lol, Id love to have a poster of that, instead of a model posing on a Lamborghini, I think its hotter when they pose one these monsters!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
DeAnn here... thank you for the compliment. But, sorry to say, I will not be posing with a bikini on... I think I need to leave that for the younger ladies. :-)
MichaelALineCSX Productions
Nice! Man, I sure love these turbines, especially the Big Blows and the Verandas! I hope we can see Coal Turbine #80 someday.
Transport & Simulation Hub
Fantastic footage there. I do like these older trains more than the newer stuff. That is some impressive power at 8500hp per turbine train. I think the most hp that our trains had in the 1960's was the Hawker Sidderley "Kestrel" that was a prototype for the UK and then was demonstrated in Europe before it ended its days scrapped somewhere in Russia. I have subscribed and please keep up the great videos. All the best from Northern Ireland.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
More videos are coming! We had to take a break.. because our camera broke. :-(
Terrance Fields
Terrance Fields Month ago
Great video.
Archibald Mirenopteryx
That is some rather special footage - a friggin' Challenger being used *as a switching locomotive* for an early turbine. Alot of the MU lashups were originally because the turbines had a nasty habit of flaming out, especially in the tunnels on the eastern side of Wyoming. The diesels would keep the train rolling long enough for the turbines to get out of the tunnels and do a restart, then they'd take over again. They also provided switching power, since the turbines had exactly two settings: "Off" and "Katy Bar the Door". (Or "suck" and "blow" if the conductor wasn't in earshot). It was also why they originally split the units; the head unit of the last-generation turbines had a small prime mover to roll it during switching maneuvers.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
Yes, those turbines could go out .. and then be "re-lit" all on the fly!
diddlebug72
diddlebug72 2 months ago
I've had the opportunity to be with the crew of a working steam locomotive and made more than one trip on the Texas State Railroad. Long live Big Boy!
diddlebug72
diddlebug72 4 days ago
I enjoyed every trip and also was able to help ready a locomotive for the day's run. Steam rules.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
You are a lucky guy!!
Alan Dunstan
Alan Dunstan 2 months ago
I know you guys didn't create the video but I still must say it's turbines not turbans.
Rosey Lynn
Rosey Lynn 2 months ago
Excellent!!
Rosey Lynn
Rosey Lynn 2 months ago
Excellent!!
Bowling Doc
Bowling Doc 2 months ago
Big Dawgs on Sherman Hill
Mark Cinque
Mark Cinque 2 months ago
Man look at that Train!, 0:10
Dylan Ellis
Dylan Ellis 2 months ago
Man i wish Union Pacific still used those things.
Gary Everett
Gary Everett 2 months ago
My father was a railroader during the 1940's and 50's, so it's in my DNA so to speak. I came very close to becoming a railroader myself, but chose to drive a big rig instead, but i still love to watch trains in real time or in videos. My nephew does as well.
BNSF RAILROAD
BNSF RAILROAD 2 months ago
I seen Chicago and north western on Sherman hill
TrainTrackTrav
TrainTrackTrav 2 months ago
The stories that the old guys tell about these units are pretty impressive. One story tells of one of these giants melting part of a highway overpass. One of my favorites is how Union Pacific decided to take one of the things to Los Angeles. Yeah, that only happened once...
tim mayer
tim mayer 2 months ago
The price of fuel today would bankrupt any railroad still using turbine engines.
Guillermo memito
Guillermo memito 2 months ago
BIG POWER MACHINE 💪💪💪💪
drumbill25
drumbill25 2 months ago
I always wondered what one engine Wighed they said 820,000 ?
Jeremy R
Jeremy R 2 months ago
Awesome shot at the end with 8444 before it got renumber to 844
Ronald Morrison
Ronald Morrison 2 months ago
Beautiful lady and knowledgeable ta boot!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
DeAnn here.. thank you for the compliment... on me and my railfan interest! :-)
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I'm hearing a lot of turban talk, but nobody is wearing them...
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 4 days ago
For some reason, this is the most commented aspect of this video... not the great rare film... but, according to experts, workers in the field and others, it can be pronounced both ways... often it is a regional thing. Apparently DeAnn grew up with it as turbin... not turbine. :-) It can be pronounced both ways: vimeo.com/215289401
2Stroke Diesel Power
Sure would be Great if UP would restore a "Big Blow" and add it to the Heritage / Steam fleet along with the E-units. Great Video - Thank You, and greatly appreciate all the work you put into all your train videos!! Thanks again.
Mike Gall
Mike Gall 3 months ago
Thanks for the great video
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Super happy to provide it... thanks for watching! :-)
Entertainment Worldz
great video
Ron Troy
Ron Troy 3 months ago
So why are they no longer used?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
+Ron Troy Any turbine will face a noise issue, but I think, and I am no expert, the real problem would be the infrastructure needed. Maintenance locations, trained mechanics, CNG facilities, etc. Multiple Unit diesels are just so flexible that any efficiencies will need to be so great that it would overcome the infrastructure issues. My 2 cents. :-)
Ron Troy
Ron Troy 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot I wonder if today one could use CNG in a much more efficient and modern turbine electric which ought to be more cost effective and just as clean as a Tier 4 diesel, much less complex. Any thoughts?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
There is a quite a bit of discussion here about that, so you can look and see if other folks offer more than I do, but basically it was a combination of things: Designed to run on Bunker C Fuel Oil when that product was cheap, Bunker C became more expensive as the years went on (more uses found for it, some plastics, etc) and these things drank fuel as if it came from a fire hose. Then there was the inflexibility and incompatibility with other units. So, you could really only run these on routes designed to handle the mechanical and fuel needs of this locomotive. Lastly, diesel fuel became cheaper and diesels more flexible and powerful. There is some more in the video and, like I said, others chime in here in the discussion, including a guy who ran these!
Rob Mcgill
Rob Mcgill 3 months ago
The Union Pacific has a thing for operating the most powerful locomotives available.
Xysix
Xysix 3 months ago
Love this stuff. I subbed and rand the bell. More videos please.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thank you! More video are on the way!! :-)
Harold Lancaster
Harold Lancaster 3 months ago
The turbines are my favorite locomotives. Do you have anything on the coal turbine?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I do not think we have any footage of the short lived UP coal turbine. We do have some more footage of these monsters and some Amtrak Turboliner footage. Keep watching!
Greg Smith
Greg Smith 3 months ago
Sounds so great! Why did they retire them? High maintenance costs? Poor performance at low speeds? What? Check below for the answer...
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Yep, there is a quite a bit of discussion here about that here, so you can look and see if other folks offer more than I do, but basically it was a combination of things: Designed to run on Bunker C Fuel Oil when that product was cheap, Bunker C became more expensive as the years went on (more uses found for it, some plastics, etc) and these things drank fuel as if it came from a fire hose. Then there was the inflexibility and incompatibility with other units. So, you could really only run these on routes designed to handle the mechanical and fuel needs of this locomotive. Lastly, diesel fuel became cheaper and diesels more flexible and powerful. There is some more in the video and, like I said, others chime in here in the discussion, including a guy who ran these!
Haramasch Abrasir
Haramasch Abrasir 3 months ago
That added sound effect is lame. That's not how gas turbine engines sound, that's how turbjet engines sound with afterburner turned on.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Some, not all, of the sound is dubbed... but *ALL* of the sound is from the actual turbine locomotives. These were very loud machines, with the nickname Big Blows because of the sound. There's a guy in these comments who worked on these when he was with UP, and he says this is what they sounded like.
Tom Smith
Tom Smith 3 months ago
Turbins with Big Boy! What a beast train! This is why I love American trains, trains from other place are boring, compare to Americans.
Tom Smith
Tom Smith 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot Yeah, other trains do have their special interests, and not boring, like the engine of BR Class 55, very strange three bank triangle opposed-piston valveless 2-stoke engine. But I love big and powerful machines, I like the feeling when you reach the foot of a mountain, but you can see part of your train is still downhilling just from the side window; the train passing through the land bridge above your locomotive is actually the same train you are driving (like Tehachapi Loop); I can count cars to several hundred when wait a train clear the crossing.... Only North American trains can give such interesting facts.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I wouldn't say other trains are boring, but yes, these turbines are amazing and certainly not boring! I like seeing the Swiss "crocodiles" in action in the Alps... that is some heavy lifting and not boring!
Marry Ellen
Marry Ellen 3 months ago
I am always amazed how the engineers could make all those different engines run at exactly the same speed. If one is pulling at a different speed you would get buffeting and break couplers or derailments.
Leon Allan Davis
Leon Allan Davis 3 months ago
A foamer chick?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
DeAnn here... yes, I like trains! I don't know if I would call myself a foamer, but I grew up near trains (Grand Trunk mostly) in Muskegon (Michigan) and my father and now husband are both into trains. My husband also does model trains, so I like to dabble in the scenery stuff too.
1979cl1
1979cl1 3 months ago
Are any of these turbin powered locos still exist in a railroad museum?
Coinucopia
Coinucopia Month ago
There's one in Ogden, Utah.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
#18 is preserved at the Illinois Railway Museum. I understand it is a cosmetic restoration... but ti looks fantastic!
Henry Ostman
Henry Ostman 3 months ago
It would seem that they could put engine trucks under the tender and get more tractive effort, in effect, the weight would be a bonus rather than a drag, did they ever try this? A big bonus to diesels is that all of the engine weight is on the drivers including the fuel while a steamer is pulling a heavy tender that is doing nothing to help, steamers also have pilot and trailing wheelsets that are unpowered and often carrying a lot of weight, the Pennsy 6 4 4 6s topped out this with more than half the weight on unpowered wheels PLUS a tender. Gas turbines would better at higher altitudes but we don't have any mountain lines high enough for that to matter. Another factor is that they don't throttle down efficiently, even at idle they are still burning a lot of fuel, diesels burn very little fuel at idle. I guess they could just shut down the turbines on the downhill, turbines start up quickly and can go to full power almost immediately, this would be a bad idea in a diesel.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Good thoughts on this and I'm no expert, but I wonder how the variable weight would affect handling and pulling power, as the fuel was used and the load changed.
Struinzu Vaffencullo
Lol ok youtube! There i watched it!
Cary Huff
Cary Huff 3 months ago
When pulling trains with 20,000hp 3:31 I'm surprised that the couplers could withstand the strain, and didn't break more often. New subscriber. Found you on Instagram first. Thanks for posting these videos.
2Stroke Diesel Power
Cary Huff.... whether or not couplers break, is many times (but not always) the difference between a real engineer and a "hot rodder", just like with the steam engines, a good engineer can "feel" the engine, its power and what it's doing and knows how to use it without abusing it (using too much of it when not called for).
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Railfan Depot 3 months ago
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Thomas Kornman
Thomas Kornman 3 months ago
5:26 CO2 emission my ass
Randolfo Romero
Randolfo Romero 3 months ago
No EGR 😂😂
Wag2112
Wag2112 3 months ago
Very Nice Video !
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thank you for the kind words!!
Denise Hunt
Denise Hunt 3 months ago
Excellent footage. Many thanks.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thank you for watching!!
Erik N
Erik N 3 months ago
I bet those sounded great when starting the turbine
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I know they were... very .... LOUD! :-)
Stealthpanther1
Stealthpanther1 3 months ago
It's time for turbine powered locomotives to return, especially now with advances in jet engine technology :-)
Stealthpanther1
Stealthpanther1 3 months ago
It would be fun to see and music to my ears :-)
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I'd have to wonder if a jet engine turbine, using aviation fuel which is common now, would stay on the tracks! :-)
Urban Hesse
Urban Hesse 3 months ago
I was in the 7 grade in grade school .. Living in a small town St. Mary's KS. 25 miles west of Topeka . on hw 24 .. And UP RR . Denver line .. Well a diesel electric locomotive engines derailed at St Mary's elevator so there was a crew there working for about 4 days getting the locomotive lift it back up and hauled out of there and then that train cars set there for almost another week then one day I was walking home from school about 3:30 in the afternoon when I came up to the crossing and where the train had the engine derailed at ..and right then along came this great big huge locomotive that was just kind of strange how it maneuvering itself around it hook up to the train and then it backed up and got some of the other cars that were in between where the streets crossings is splitting apart about four times you know and then they got ready to go and this thing was huge man !!!🐳 and it wasthat big whirlybird you know and I didn't know what it was till 2009 ..I never seen one before or dance. but they start giving that thing some gas and it started 😯 roaring and they gave it more gas and started roaring even harder and then they gave it a whole bunch more gas and then the whole neighborhood was shaking that in my guts from trembling and I tell you what it was😃 it was awesome and I never forgot that and that was back in about in the late fall of .1969
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Yep, that's how operaters described the turbines... It earned them the nickname "Big Blows".
turbojer1
turbojer1 3 months ago
I play with jet engines for a hobby and presently have a J-69 mounted in a Chevy mini van. The J-69 is a small engine of only around 1000 pounds of thrust. At 100% throttle it burns 2.96 gallons of fuel per minute. So, I must agree, fuel consumption is quite an issue . It has nixed turbine autos, turbine semis, and turbine tractors (farmers are in business to make money you know). turbojer.com
turbojer1
turbojer1 3 months ago
Oh right. I forgot about his Chrysler turbine car. He has one called the Eco Boost also and of course the Y2K motorcycle. All turbine powered.+Helium Road
Helium Road
Helium Road 3 months ago
ruvid.net/video/video-b2A5ijU3Ivs.html
Helium Road
Helium Road 3 months ago
+turbojer1 Um, not the car I'm talking about, it's a stock Chrysler Turbine car with the factory engine in it.
turbojer1
turbojer1 3 months ago
Yes, but he should of gotten help from more experienced turbine people. He is using a helicopter engine and rather than making a good throttle control he was using brakes to slow down against the running engine. They tore up the first transmission and had to go to much larger brakes. Nice body though. They had to take some unusual designs for his Y2K turbine motorcycle. To slow down quickly, as in coming to a curve, he had a switch on the handlebar to disconnect the engine from the drive train. Typical electric clutch as in a lawn tractor. Have you looked up "dream cars"? One of the cars is called the Ghia "Gilda". I helped choose the engine and drive train for it. But, still not really road worthy. +Helium Road
Helium Road
Helium Road 3 months ago
Jay Leno has a turbine car that is one of the coolest cars ever. Look up his video on it. Like most of his collection, he drives it around sometimes.
SportsRGreat
SportsRGreat 3 months ago
This is fake. It is a video of a model train
Robert Heinkel
Robert Heinkel 3 months ago
I read somewhere they were hell on tunnels. The turbine exhaust was so hot blowing on the roof of the tunnels, it would blast off chunks of concrete.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Interesting, I've not heard that... But I can certainly see that happening!!
flutist218
flutist218 3 months ago
Wow. Thank you for this. I have never seen a turbine locomotive. Were these turbine engines similar to those found in Jet aircraft of the time? Pratt and Whitney or General Electric engines?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thanks for the note and kind words. :-) Because of the fuel used, heavy Bunker C fuel oil, they were quite a bit different in design.
Satyanarayanmurti Katta
It is so powerful locomotives but retired very soon. Why don't UP continued it further when they were good enough.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
There is a quite a bit of discussion here about that, so you can look and see if other folks offer more than I do, but basically it was a combination of things: Designed to run on Bunker C Fuel Oil when that product was cheap, Bunker C became more expensive as the years went on (more uses found for it, some plastics, etc) and these things drank fuel as if it came from a fire hose. Then there was the inflexibility and incompatibility with other units. So, you could really only run these on routes designed to handle the mechanical and fuel needs of this locomotive. Lastly, diesel fuel became cheaper and diesels more flexible and powerful. There is some more in the video and, like I said, others chime in here in the discussion, including a guy who ran these!
louislungbubble
louislungbubble 3 months ago
I completed 38 years service on the railways in Australia , since early retirement watching material like this is bittersweet , I suppose nostalgia is always like that , great days when you could say you were a real "railway man" , I don't think that title can be applied today in the same spirit .
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
What a great career!! There are a lot of railway men (and women) working the rails today.
Mehmet Ertum
Mehmet Ertum 3 months ago
Forgive me for lack of knowledge , but I want to know whether all separate loco units are driven by another team or from one center ?
Mehmet Ertum
Mehmet Ertum 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot Thanks a lot for your kind response .. I simply love trains but steam engines at most !!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
In a multiple unit train, with the units wired for MU service, there will be one crew, in the lead locomotive.
Colin Johnston
Colin Johnston 3 months ago
If it was the greatest locomotive how come it only lasted 14 years??
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
There is a quite a bit of discussion here about that, so you can look and see if other folks offer more than I do, but basically it was a combination of things: Designed to run on Bunker C Fuel Oil when that product was cheap, Bunker C became more expensive as the years went on (more uses found for it, some plastics, etc) and these things drank fuel as if it came from a fire hose. Then there was the inflexibility and incompatibility with other units. So, you could really only run these on routes designed to handle the mechanical and fuel needs of this locomotive. Lastly, diesel fuel became cheaper and diesels more flexible and powerful. There is some more in the video and, like I said, others chime in here in the discussion, including a guy who ran these!
TommyTwobats
TommyTwobats 3 months ago
Didn’t know turbines were used. Furthermore, that they were occasionally coupled with steam locos. I wonder how they coordinated the power.
Thegoodtom 1
Thegoodtom 1 2 months ago
Bet the loco crew just busted a$$ and held on for dear life
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
There had to be two excellent, well trained, well seasoned, crews working each locomotive, the steam and the turbine.
FRANsylvania Maple
FRANsylvania Maple 3 months ago
Something like that would never comply with today's emission standards. Look at everything that they have to do to diesel engines now to get them to comply.
Helium Road
Helium Road 3 months ago
+Ferroequus Domain They can't?
Anthony Handcock
Anthony Handcock 3 months ago
Why do Americans say 'turbin' instead of 'turbine'?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
+Anthony Handcock Oh yes, wasn't it George Bernard Shaw that said England and America are two countries separated by a common language? Although the English invented English, we Americans have continued to screw around with it! :-)
Anthony Handcock
Anthony Handcock 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot Indeed... There is the American way and the right way. See also alumin*i*um and *h*erb God save the queen! ;-) Being serious I think British English started as tur-bin but it's universally tur-byne these days.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Merriam-Webster shows it as tur-bun... but maybe more importantly there is a comment from a guy in this discussion who builds turbines and he says half the factory uses one pronunciation and the other half the other pronunciation. :-) The Brits definitely say tur-byne. So, it's just something that is pronounced differently by different folks. :-)
Roger Alsop
Roger Alsop 3 months ago
Magnificent!
Michele C
Michele C 3 months ago
Very nice media
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thanks!!
The Q
The Q 3 months ago
Would be amazing to get one of those suckers fired up.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
+The Q Because of the fuel used, and no ramjet, the turbines used in these monsters are quite a bit different than jet turbines... but, I am sure you are correct, UP certainly could and given enough passion and time, there are hobbyists who could at least have a good go at it. :-)
The Q
The Q 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot There are nutjobs who build jet engines and use them to power go karts. It cant really be that hard. BTW they use a turnbine to turn the wheels via a chain:
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
It sure would be... but I can not even imagine the expertise needed for such a job.
Chessie System Railfanman
I love it, absolute raw power on the rails. Good thing the EPA did not exist then otherwise these locomotives would not have seen the light of day. Great video, thank you.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thank you for the kind words! :-)
David nappi YouTube Nappi
I Love Trains its need to know how much horsepower they have cuz it's a kid always wondered how much power they had five to ten thousand horsepower wow that's probably with a lot of engines but I love trains I like to watch the movie Runaway Train with Jon Voight and Chattanooga Choo Choo with George Kennedy
Mick Carson
Mick Carson 3 months ago
Nothing new. It's just like going back to pollution like the good old steam trains.
Paul Ayers
Paul Ayers 3 months ago
I see alot of familiar places alongside the videos of this Documentation from Rail fans
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Great! I am glad we can bring back some happy memories on the area and your Brother-in-Law. :-)
Paul Ayers
Paul Ayers 3 months ago
I spent many days here in SE Wyoming and Sherman Hill! My Late Brother In Law William Bill Riley Sr operated out of NP Nebraska to Cheyenne Wyoming, he even operated UP8444 and is Posthumously received the Golden Spike Award!
Hobby Electronics
Hobby Electronics 3 months ago
Steam engines and jet engines together. What a time it must have been to see that transition in person !
Robert Sparkes
Robert Sparkes 2 months ago
Been there done that...I loved/love steam and was torn when things began to change...Steam vs Diesel is like Land line vs Cell I guess you can't get away with the old for long....
Ron Troy
Ron Troy 3 months ago
That was an amazing site, huge steam and a turbine!
Lance Baker
Lance Baker 3 months ago
It was!!!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I agree! 1950 to 1970 would have been a railfan's dream!
J Barta
J Barta 3 months ago
I remember seeing Amtrak running a turbine in Ann Arbor, Mi in the 70's. I think it was Chicago to Detroit route. i don't know where else they were. I remember standing on the bridge above them sometimes when they would come through.
Herbie and Missi
Herbie and Missi 2 months ago
In the northeast they had the Turbotrain, built buy Bombardier. They were serviced in RI, my dad used to drive us down to see it. Seem to remember there were a lot of breakdowns. It had a version of the PT6, one the most reliable aircraft engines ever.
John Plampin
John Plampin 2 months ago
And from Chicago to St. Louis.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Yep, those were the Turboliners. There were a couple of designs, 6 sets were even delivered with European style couplers and buffers. They were a much different design than the UP turbines. They also ran on the "Empire Corridor" in New York.
Bram Moerman
Bram Moerman 3 months ago
Wondering. . . If they were so great, why were the retired after just 15 years?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
There is a quite a bit of discussion here about that, so you can look and see if other folks offer more than I do, but basically it was a combination of things: Designed to run on Bunker C Fuel Oil when that product was cheap, Bunker C became more expensive as the years went on (more uses found for it, some plastics, etc) and these things drank fuel as if it came from a fire hose. Then there was the inflexibility and incompatibility with other units. So, you could really only run these on routes designed to handle the mechanical and fuel needs of this locomotive. Lastly, diesel fuel became cheaper and diesels more flexible and powerful. There is some more in the video and, like I said, others chime in here in the discussion, including a guy who ran these!
Eric Glatz
Eric Glatz 3 months ago
I believe UP found these too inefficient and took them out of servce.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Yes, it was a combination of factors including inefficiency and the higher cost of the Bunker C fuel oil they used.
Animal tvi
Animal tvi 3 months ago
Wouldn't have thort a big boy needed help. Or was it pushing the diesel ?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
At this time the Big Boy, sadly, would likely have been relegated to pusher service, though it's hard to say for sure.
Thomas Caldwell
Thomas Caldwell 3 months ago
I remember watching the New Turbines being tested on General Electric's test tracks when I was young in 1955 to 1958 I grew up on outskirts of Erie Pa what a site to see they wore
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
That was a great place to be for a railfan!!
Robert Gift
Robert Gift 3 months ago
Poor video. Why notell how turbinengines operated? Tractiveffort compared to other locomotives? Why retired?
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thanks for the input. This is less an explainer video on turbines than a look back at the history of these units. Having said that, there is in the video some information about these units and why they were retired. Basically, there were a number of reasons for the Union Pacific retiring these turbines. The increasing cost of Bunker C fuel oil, maintenence costs and the increasing utility of multiple-unit diesels as higher power diesels can on line. More info on the DVD. I'm sorry you found this video lacking.
barry noble
barry noble 3 months ago
wow!! great video....talk about SUPERPOWER...well here it is.!!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thanks! We're working on more videos. :-)
Sterlingjob
Sterlingjob 3 months ago
Turbines not turbans.....idiot
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Merriam-Webster shows it as tur-bun... but maybe more importantly there is a comment from a guy in this discussion who builds turbines and he says half the factory uses one pronunciation and the other half the other pronunciation. :-) The Brits definitely say tur-byne. So, it's just something that is pronounced differently by different folks. :-)
Robert Hoovan
Robert Hoovan 3 months ago
That what u call rolling cole
TheOther RayJ
TheOther RayJ 3 months ago
One of my favorite locomotives
Steve Seely
Steve Seely 3 months ago
This type of channel is the way to create more rail fans. Keep up the good work, and thank you!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Thanks!! We're going to keep it up... more railfans is great!!
Adderall vs
Adderall vs 3 months ago
A gas turbine combined with a big boy? That lash up would be incredible to see.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I think we see exactly that at the 43 second mark. It is either a Big Boy or a Challenger right behind the turbine going into Hermosa Tunnel. Check it out: ruvid.net/video/video-spngeetQfRI.html
david knapp
david knapp 3 months ago
I fell in love with trains at age 10 on a trip from Cedar Rapids to Portland Oregon in the Domeliner. Wow! What a feeling. Thanks!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
My first train was an O Scale from my Dad when I was very, very young. Since then I graduated to 1:1 scale. :-)
BNSF Bandit
BNSF Bandit 3 months ago
Those GP9B's are so cool! They ran the GP9B'S with the DD40X also
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I always liked B units, nothing but power, no control, no extras... Just power.
Marry Ellen
Marry Ellen 3 months ago
The pure heaven of the sound of the Big Boy.
Marry Ellen
Marry Ellen 3 months ago
the noise level was way beyond tolerance.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
It was VERY loud. Yep, no doubt.
NJP Vlogs -N- Stuff
NJP Vlogs -N- Stuff 3 months ago
You know...I see a lot of videos like this where the people posting it basically forget about it and never interact with the comment section. I want to take a moment and thank Railfan Depot for interacting with many of us here in the comments, Good on you. BTW, love the video as well. :)
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
You are most welcome... we are railfans too, so we enjoy the comments and the back and forth.
Erich Heyde
Erich Heyde 3 months ago
I love the big blows ! One drawback that I have not seen mentioned is, like steam They had to be turned at the end of a run
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Good detail... yes, there were operational issues, like this, that limited the turbines to where they could run (Trained crew, special facilities).
IYAAYAS
IYAAYAS 3 months ago
I wonder how a Rolls Royce Tyne powered engine would work out. 4500 HP
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
+IYAAYAS I don't think an E or F units frame would be able to do it... I mean they were built for 1,500HP. Maybe an old U50 frame... or better yet, a DDA40X! :-)
IYAAYAS
IYAAYAS 3 months ago
+Railfan Depot wish I had the money and the frame to test something, maybe and old E or F, like this on. I was thinking the marine turbines run on diesel.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
I imagine the tough piece of engineering would be making it so the frame would stay in one piece and on the track! Well, that and the expensive (aviation?) fuel. :-D
jpsholland
jpsholland 3 months ago
Sadly there is a constant growl sound like a high flying B-52 jet bomber. I think the real sound is more like a turbo diesel without the diesel.
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
This is actual gas turbine sound. Some recorded in camera at the time, some recorded at the time separately and some added later (depends on the original video/film footage). As for sounding like a plane, that was one of the drawbacks of this locomotive, earning it the nickname "Big Blow".
Malcolm Smith
Malcolm Smith 3 months ago
Awesome Railroad power!!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
The UP turbines were truly awesome, groundbreaking machines... yes, the railroad world moved on, but that does not take away from all these engines were/are.
Rod Fromleftfield
Rod Fromleftfield 3 months ago
Fantastic video! Union Pacific is my favorite railroad behind the Pennsylvania, they had such an incredible assortment of motive power. I so wish we did like the days of old and experimented with varying types of powerplants!
Railfan Depot
Railfan Depot 3 months ago
Yes, both the UP and PRR liked to experiment with motive power!
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