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16” MacBook Pro - Apple’s Last Chance

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The 16" MacBook Pro sounds like it'll be the best MacBook ever, but it needs an engineering overhaul to get around the thermal limitations of the current design. I WANT TO BELIEVE.
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Feb 19, 2019

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Dave Lee
Dave Lee 3 months ago
The upcoming Intel CPUs are gonna run really hot. Don't screw this one up Apple... THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO REDEEM YOURSELF
Adam Smith
Adam Smith 15 days ago
They don't run too hot, they use run too hot for apples pathetic "cooling" solution
Pär Nordqvist
Pär Nordqvist Month ago
+lasest2 ​ Jonny Bravo Did Apple ever explained why they dropped the ports? Was it only to get it so slim as possible?
Zetsuke4
Zetsuke4 Month ago
Pls dont redeem yourself or else my new macbook is gonna get outdated real fast
TheJosiahTurner
TheJosiahTurner Month ago
Dave Lee lmao just put the a13X in it smh
Ez Swann
Ez Swann Month ago
Dave Lee I have a review on my Mac book
Cameron Bosch
Cameron Bosch 5 days ago
Dave, they upgraded the 15 inch MacBook Pro again (just a spec bump and a new butterfly keyboard 🤮) and it has the 9980H. It's 100% gonna throttle, mark my words.
Eric M
Eric M 15 days ago
Apple's gonna lose so many programmers with Windows Subsystem for Linux.
Eric M
Eric M 15 days ago
+Adam Smith Mostly driver issues with newer hardwares. You get a new Porsche but linux only recognize it as an old truck. You wait for another 2 years, you finally get open source Porsche support which doesn't take advantage of the turbo feature.
Adam Smith
Adam Smith 15 days ago
Why would anyone program on OSX? Linux does everything OSX can do and better programing wise.
Ken Lal
Ken Lal 20 days ago
Great video as always. Very informative! I’ve been waiting for Apple to redesign their MacBook Pros. I’ve wanted to upgrade my MacBook Pro which I bought back in 2010.
John Porter
John Porter 24 days ago
I put hands on a 2018 MacBook Pro the other day, compared to my 2013 mbp it was like typing on plywood, just horrible 😳
wololo10
wololo10 28 days ago
Can't stand his voice, the mic is too good I guess.
Sultan Singh
Sultan Singh Month ago
I watched the video for the Epic Thumbnail !
Benoit Peeters
Benoit Peeters Month ago
Yeah, if they make room for SDcard slot and they put Back some usbA that would make me buy it!
李赵辉
李赵辉 Month ago
what is the laptop on the left?
He who must not be named
The pro is: They know they screwed up. The con: Most people will still buy it because it is Apple.
Peter Cheung
Peter Cheung Month ago
my macbook pro 15 is too fxxking heavy
bugscheese
bugscheese Month ago
All laptop designers need to rightsize their chassis for better batteries and thermals and abandon the obsession with being the thinnest. It's surprising how dumb and sheep-like an entire manufacturing sector can be. Well, maybe not.
Mark Boehm
Mark Boehm Month ago
yawn
Techable
Techable Month ago
Apple's made a huge mistake when discontinuing the 17" Macbook Pro models in 2011. We still sell the 17" MBP 2.5GHz for $1200+ People love the big screens, especially older users. Apple is finally coming to their senses!
fickbasterd
fickbasterd Month ago
my macbook is heating my tiny apartment lol
silvermica
silvermica Month ago
The list of reasons why I won’t buy a new MacBook Pro continues to grow. I’ll stick with my 2015 MacBook Pro.
James Mazza
James Mazza Month ago
aaaaaaaaaand now its cancelled
Michael
Michael Month ago
Good video
Seecker Gaming
Seecker Gaming Month ago
You can count on Apple to pair an i9 9900k with 1600MHz DDR3 because "power savings" ^^
MattFader1
MattFader1 Month ago
The heck with thermals, they need to properly address the butterfly 🦋 keyboard epidemic, just like touch disease on the 6 pulse. If you can’t enter text on any of your devices then it an over priced paper weight. I got burned and I’ll be damned if I get screwed a second time! And to put things into context in an share holders report from two years ago Apple was aiming to double their customer service capacity to 50 million dollars. They’re banking on your over price crap to break. How do you think the car industry has been keeping profitable all these years? Arrr!
Gunārs Vilde
Gunārs Vilde Month ago
... time for apple to go Ryzen!!!
Ultrakillerism
Ultrakillerism Month ago
You assume that Macbooks are made for productivity, they are $2000 facebook/porn machines in most part, and Apple knows very well their clientele and tolerance.
StableEntropy
StableEntropy Month ago
Bash Apple harder please
Tiza
Tiza Month ago
Why would anyone want a 16" laptop. I own a 15.6" acer one and I hate it. Maybe the keyboard is comfortable but it's definitively stretching the definition of portable device. I still think ~13" is the sweet spot for laptops
Dream Big
Dream Big Month ago
Apple computers suck ass
olof
olof Month ago
rotat e bananba
Kingsley Zissou
Kingsley Zissou Month ago
Not holding my breath. Apple painted itself in to a corner, and won't allow itself to regress to a thicker case. There are so many other factors with their designs that create unneeded problems for pro users, like soldering all the components to the motherboard so you can't do any kind of repairs or upgrades in-house. It's just easier at this point to turn to PC-based workflows for most professional users.
Ronald Cheng
Ronald Cheng Month ago
Not only does it look sexy, it feels *HOT* as well *( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)*
Zaheer Kader
Zaheer Kader Month ago
The shocking move away from Apple ecosystem is the reality of my life... Apple unfortunately has to embrace the jobs mentality and start innovating rather than following
Mathew
Mathew Month ago
Macbook's are shit. They don't even look good anyway -- they look like giant iPhone 3G's. Also, I'm not sold on the only reason manufacturers don't have thinner bezels is because they can't. I find the bezel to be very practical for separating the background from my computer's display. I don't think thinner is always better either. The thinner the laptop the lower the display is going to be. Ideally the display is as high as possible, not as low as possible. Macbook's aren't practical at all. They're made for non-computer people with money who have this idea that Apple is better, so they sit around using a Mac for no other reason other than to think they're better than those around them.
Tobias Müller
Tobias Müller Month ago
Just go for a Surface Book 2. You have the very good Look and you also have a high performance CPU and an NVidia Graphics Card (no thermal Problems at all). You also have a convertible and overall much more Bang for your Bucks.
Jay R
Jay R Month ago
3:25 - "They have a chance of making something good... if they're smart!" Apple is a very smart beast of a company, which is why they know they don't have to make something good, they just have to make something average.... that is sleek & stylish.... and people will still buy it!
Bojan Glamocak
Bojan Glamocak Month ago
For 70% discount I'd maybe take an apple. Not worth the money... Period
ldisc66
ldisc66 Month ago
Unless they bring back the ports, user up-gradable memory, SSD and lose the butterfly keyboard it will be just another fail.
Adam Bickers
Adam Bickers Month ago
ldisc66 I used to love apple, I really did. And I still have Mac computers and iPhones and all the other iShit. I refuse to spend money on these newer computers, they’ve totally screwed them and the customer. Still rocking my 2014 MacBook and 2012 Mac Mini and I’m totally happy with that. I want to be able to upgrade and fix things as needed. You just can’t with their new products. It’s lame as hell.
Henrik Palmqvist
Really don't give a flying fuck what Apple does, I'm glad they exist tho, competition is good.
THE16THPHANTOM
THE16THPHANTOM Month ago
courage!
gtrmusic69
gtrmusic69 Month ago
Keep dreaming I'll never understand how Apple people keep hoping and hoping only to get turned down year after year after year. Been like that for decades. Just a new generation doing the same stuff their parents used to do. Always the endless disappointments...but never NOT buying Apple. That never seems to be a thought. No one is a fan boy.....nah....doesn't exist but still everything in their lives is about Apple.
serversC13nc3
serversC13nc3 Month ago
just give up on thinning the macbook pro, Apple, just make same size like the 2015 model so that you can put i9 processsor and make up for better cooling solution, also with reliable ports like 2x thunderbolt usb4 type-c port, 1 or 2x displayport and 1x type A usb 3.1(this is for wireless mouse or keyboard) and at least latest high speed micro-sd card if not sd card reader for photographer, ok...
Daniel Marquez
Daniel Marquez Month ago
new cpus are going to be proprietary apple cpu... theory
Stephen Hill
Stephen Hill Month ago
Wait for the new 24 inch MacBook Pro. That's out in time for the 11th generation Intel cpu's.
private bydesign
As soon as Apple are happy with their in house processors being put in laptops the next giant leap forward will be upon us. Anybody editing video on a current iPad Pro knows the potential of a device several times the size with active cooling. I don't see a bigger heavier chassis being delivered, but if it is it will be a one season stop gap to make the time for the in house processor finalization.
Hamdan Abdullah
Hamdan Abdullah Month ago
They Should Make it 17inch or higher Thats for mobile workstation
ShakespeareCafe
ShakespeareCafe Month ago
17" was/is superlative...I have a 2010 17 Still working like new
Nikola Stamenkovic
RIP MacBook.
Computer Power
Computer Power Month ago
they will sell an optional radiator for $200.
Obsidian17
Obsidian17 Month ago
(Sigh) They wont get it right...they don’t know how to make things the “right” way anymore.
Daniel
Daniel Month ago
Wishful thinking
TheFluffyDuck
TheFluffyDuck Month ago
The price scares me more than anything
Alex Blok
Alex Blok Month ago
I have an HP ZBook X2 G4 with Wacom touch screen, the best transportable ever made. No good on the lap or in bed due to lack of a stiff link between screen and keyboard, but other than that, the industrial design and ergonomics are outstanding. Most importantly is keyboard is full travel Bluetooth. Apple should make the 16" modular, with a removable Bluetooth and pogo pin deep travel keyboard and Apple Pencil ready touch screen? Until then my ZBook is my travel machine and 2018 Mac mini stays at home.
Microtardz
Microtardz Month ago
1 more inch isn't going to get anywhere close to fixing their thermal problems. The thermal problems are fundamental to a design in which the only fucking air vent on the system is the same vent that the monitor's hinge partially covers. Look at every other laptop on the market's ventilation systems. And then look at the macbooks. Look at all the problems they've had over the years with resisters and GPUs over heating, or even the glue holding their screens together melting. Your "last chance" is the dumbest thing I've heard.
Peter Floyd
Peter Floyd Month ago
You have a belief? No one is going to get hurt are they? Don't you mean you had a thought? Or you think? Belief is for idiots. Get with the program.
TheJosiahTurner
TheJosiahTurner Month ago
JUST PUT AN APPLE CPU IN IT AND ITS GOLDEN COME ON APPLE
Stephen Hill
Stephen Hill Month ago
Yep. All they have to do is find people to design the chip, make it better than Intel and AMD's offerings, test it in real world situations, properly licence patents or ensure that patents are not infringed and spend $10 billion building a fabrication plant. How likely is that? Come on Ford. Make us an SUV that is better than a Ferrari.
Bill Hart
Bill Hart Month ago
David, your lips to their ears!
Simon Greenidge
Simon Greenidge Month ago
Apple seems to have created the perfect worst case scenario for itself: Very Expensive, Reliability Issues, Prohibitively difficult to repair. Add to that failing to support customers when they need help e.g. retrieving data off of damaged phones. Not to mention those of us who really appreciate having built-in SD card reader, HDMI port etc.
Gerard Talk
Gerard Talk Month ago
If... They're smart 😂😂
L. G
L. G Month ago
Where do you buy your hoodies please ?
Klson Bob
Klson Bob Month ago
"lets just use the most skinny heat pipe for the 8 core 5ghz 14nm furnace"
The Spaniel Inquisition
The 17" was a total disaster - greater performance but terrible resolution, text was far too small.
danteyoutu
danteyoutu Month ago
I love how RUvidrs talk about the thermothrottling like it is a daily pain for MacBook Pro users. It’s like they are so inside their own bubble that they think all MacBook Pro users live inside. But it is not a problem for the average user. Average users aren’t RUvid video editors. Average users for the most part are happy with it, such as me. We don’t encounter thermothrottling on regular use, it doesn’t slow us down, it doesn’t frustrate us. My guess is that even video editors don’t get frustrated with it, it might slow them down by a few seconds when exporting a video, but that’s just my guess.
AMG
AMG Month ago
Apple is officially fucked and out of ideas.
Paul Argueta
Paul Argueta Month ago
Apple made a slew of announcements today including a new credit card, a new streaming service, a new arcade service, new ipads, imacs etc. Did Oprah being there help or hurt it's event?
NinjaMonkeyPrime
NinjaMonkeyPrime 2 months ago
Seems like Apple wants to ignore thermal reality and bluff their consumers into thinking you can get a powerful laptop that isn't a beast to carry. Meanwhile the other laptop makers are willing to make models that are ultra thin (but maybe not too powerful) as well as models that push the limits of being portable (but give a consumer the power they may need). To me this is more and more of Apple telling users what they need or want instead of letting users decide. A big bulky laptop does seem silly to me but if consumers are buying them then shouldn't Apple listen to the market demand?
Alex Ivanovs
Alex Ivanovs 2 months ago
Apple are idiots for not creating a separate gaming device with actual "Apple-standard" thermals...
mkd1r
mkd1r 2 months ago
"Apple’s Last Chance" what nonsense is this? The next Macbooks in 202x wont have Intel CPUs anymore anyway. Only morons (with too much money) buy a laptop with a i9 in it anyway.
Fery Wardiyanto
Fery Wardiyanto 2 months ago
"If they're smart" Great closing Dave... 🤣
Boom
Boom 2 months ago
Ok,so, Dave presents his stuff so incredibly clean and tidy,it’s unbelievable,you ever realise how he breaths when he talk?
Blair Slavin
Blair Slavin 2 months ago
Good points. Plus extra points for great hair (not a facetious comment...I am loving the tousled hair)
Papyrus The Great
Papyrus The Great 2 months ago
Gaming laptop?
moontecker
moontecker 2 months ago
If Apple comes out 16 inch Macbook Pro, it will be $4000+ so yea no thank you.
Oliver Dixon
Oliver Dixon 25 days ago
It will come with 8gb's of ram, 16gb upgrade will be $400.
Benoit Peeters
Benoit Peeters Month ago
4k, i dont think so. If they make room for an SD card slot u gonna pay around 5k. And if by any chance they put a touchscreen 2-1 laptop it’s gonna be 10k!!!!
Luke Walker
Luke Walker Month ago
The baseline 15" MacBook Pro is already $4k in my country lmao
speedracer123222
speedracer123222 2 months ago
I would get a 17” laptop no smaller
Thunder Thighs
Thunder Thighs 2 months ago
Man sorry to say but the past few years of apple laptops have been disgusting, a total failure and waste of a product.
MichaelKB95
MichaelKB95 2 months ago
I want a ticker MBP, Pro functions back so I don’t have to carry 394748 dongles. Oh yea, fix the damn keyboard and constant freezing under heavy load (I’m having this on my maxed out MBP 15” 2018).
misterinspace
misterinspace 2 months ago
Don’t need a thinner laptop, don’t need the touchbar, don’t need thin bezels. Just need better thermals/performance, better keyboard, and ideally the SD port. Can live without USB, don’t mind replacing my peripherals to type C, as long as I know the rest of the machine is working FOR ME rather than me living up to an Apple vision. All that thin bezeless pazzaz should be a MacBook Air thing. We’re trying to work and these machines are currently simply getting in the way. Love your videos Dave!
Alan
Alan 2 months ago
On the contrary, I think it's just marketing because nobody is making 16" laptop. Airflow is what cools the CPU/GPU, and I fail to see how it would help if the chassis remains as thin which refrains enough airflow, unless they drill some holes in the front to draw in the air and vent it out at the back. However, Apple is about form over substance so I don't see it happening.
bloodySunday77
bloodySunday77 2 months ago
Very click-baity title but there are quite a few good points here...
chipchip
chipchip 2 months ago
It really isn't...
Paul Donaldson
Paul Donaldson 2 months ago
Thermal, design and hardware issues are all things that plague Macbooks. Apple has gone form over function, and is only really suitable for the Fanboy/girl now. It's a fashion accessory more than a state of the art hardware platform. I have to give you kudos though Dave. Of all the Apple "Tech" reviewers - your the one I believe to be non-biased and open and I enjoy nearly all your videos. I hope your faith doesn't get burnt by Apple..
S Tea
S Tea 2 months ago
I'm hoping they will strop screwing people over and come up with a normal keyboard and no stupid non upgradeable feature... indeed last chance for them, i'm tired of waiting for something good to come out
HMS Beagle
HMS Beagle 2 months ago
Form over Function, That's Apple's design Philosophy. ports are sacrificed for thinnest. terrible keyboard. now it's coming back to bite them.
Adam Smith
Adam Smith 15 days ago
LOL just like how Mercedes and BMW cram as much tech, turbos, and new transmissions in their cars. Meanwhile their cars fail before 100k miles because of all this useless tech while a Toyota from 20 years ago still has the original engine and transmission...
BonBaisers
BonBaisers 2 months ago
At my office there is maxed MacBook Pro's and maxed Surface Books 2 15. Only 2 of 14 did not go back to Apple for repairs. 1 of 11 Book was repaired (due to liquid damaged, replaced for FREE my Microsoft)... There is more than Thermal issues to address. Book 2 have detachable screen, great chassis, and 1070GTX without any thermal problem at all. Since last year, many of my Apple fan coworkers started to understant that Apple is all about PERCEPTION OF QUALITY and not actual quality. I think that it's a huge mistake to go this road since 2013. Mac OS is imho the only thing that keep the company alive.
Mohan Sethuraman
Mohan Sethuraman 2 months ago
Poor battery life ... Always running hot ..and a keyboard thats running me crazy ..stuck because of sketch app that's only available for Mac.
Delyan Kostov temporary resident
Sounds logical, and you know what is onother opportunity Apple could use of the real estate that 16' laptop will give them..having in mind the growing trackpads tendency, they might add a even biger one with Pencil support and turn these peace in a beast for the creative market...
rokogoko
rokogoko 2 months ago
Very weak GPU. It's not good for rendering 4K video. I bought MSI GE75 instead Mac Book Pro. GPU RTX2080 working very fast with 4K video.
harsh zalavadiya
harsh zalavadiya 2 months ago
I guess there's no need of thinner laptop I'll be happy to use little bit thicker one and of course without that annoying new keyboard and touchbar 😅
Alexander Kuhn
Alexander Kuhn 2 months ago
I really hope they don't care to much about the thickness this time. If you want a pro machine it's not a big deal if this thing will be < 2 kg or not... Internals matter! Reliable cooling! Eventually some expandable RAM! These slots really don't take so much space - C'mon! The built in battery doesn't even have to blow our minds away. External power banks are becoming smaller and more powerful. So they should really focus on the basics of a versatile pro-user laptop. Shouldn't be that hard in 2019!
Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden 2 months ago
Apple will never design a chassis that will be able to cool a cpu like that 9980H. Have you seen windows laptops that have high power cpus. They are thick as hell, multiple fans and alot of heat pipes.
Vander
Vander 2 months ago
Jonathan Morisson might be shaking right now, thinking how to defend apple again! Lol
Litl Cup O' Joe
Litl Cup O' Joe 2 months ago
What’s the name of those lights in the background?
Richard Getz
Richard Getz 2 months ago
Apple has been anorexic obsessed for too long.
Wealth
Wealth 2 months ago
As a hardcore Apple fan, I’ll stay with Apple ‘till the day I die. Unless they stop producing or go main-stream.
paouvous
paouvous 2 months ago
intel chip fabrication has been a disaster these last few years. They are stuck on 14nm while on the same time ARM chips have moved from 20nm to 7nm. It is not really Apple's fault that Intel cannot design more efficient chips. Unfortunatelly it seems there is not much money on the PC market either for Apple to make their own chips.. But, maybe some day!
TheFusiform
TheFusiform 2 months ago
Nice thought, but it definitely won't happen. The larger screen will just be the same chassis with smaller bezels because "small bezels look sooooo cool". The more I see reviews on the issue too, this isn't just Apples fault. The customer is demanding these superficial features and reviewers by in large are reinforcing these pointless standards. So, thank god there is at least Dave2d is holding laptop designers feet to the fire over performance issues. But it won't be enough.
Red Phoenix
Red Phoenix 2 months ago
@1:26 Yes, everyone likes a nice looking computer just like everyone likes a nice looking sledgehammer. ;) That is why the IBM Thinkpads where more geared towards the people who are more likely to use a sledgehammer instead of a nail file. ;)
Paul-Sebastian Manole
Next Macbooks will have AMD Ryzen chips inside. :P
Masticina Akicta
Masticina Akicta 2 months ago
... yeah I am sure it is beautiful and has the most perfect screen and so on.. it also probably will come with a CPU lacking enough cooling so that it will have to run on lower/safer speeds so your performance goes bust. A beauty to see, weak when it gets to get things done. That is apple these days with their super thin design ideas. What is wrong with a bit more weight, bit more depth and better cooling? Their 2004 line was functional, good working and had enough cooling to keep its CPU happy. And now it is 2019 and you can't even cool your CPU anymore?
Thorhian
Thorhian 2 months ago
Wouldn't be surprised if this MBP will be the only x86-64 in their future lineup (or maybe some of their 15" models). I have a feeling the smaller devices will be ARM-based in a year or two.
Josef Josef
Josef Josef 2 months ago
-?????????????????????????????????
Kurt Winkelman
Kurt Winkelman 2 months ago
What's the device on the left side of the table?
Kenny McCann
Kenny McCann 2 months ago
Glad I waited to buy a new mac. Let's hope they get this right because I want to keep using FCPX
Vignesh Subramaniam
Vignesh Subramaniam 2 months ago
Please find some information on this and do a review. www.indiegogo.com/projects/aerobook-the-most-affordable-widescreen-laptop#/
Chris Thornborrow
Chris Thornborrow 2 months ago
Apples solution should be arm.
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